Community pools

[Bee]

If anybody threatens you with breaking any rules John then get on to Pelayo de Salvador and he will put them straight as he says Community Pools are the same as a pool in a private house. This is a Google Translate of an article from Idealista

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Bee

A few weeks after the opening of community pools in much of Spain, a debate has opened about whether they should comply with the regulations of the Ministry of Health to mitigate covid-19. Property managers insist that the opening of the pools is foreseen in Phase 2, provided that the necessary preventive measures are complied with. But most of the pools do not meet all the obligations imposed by the Ministry of Health for their reopening, such as a maximum capacity of 30% or a safety distance of at least two meters.

The criterion of the General Council of Colleges of Property Administrators (CGCAFE) is that only in Phase 2 the pools will open taking into account the health point of view, “because first of all we must guarantee the protection of users against the coronavirus. The recommendations issued by Health are very difficult to apply in community swimming pools, but the communities of owners who want to open them will have to comply with the provisions of the Health Order, ”the agency states.

Given the controversy that is being generated, CGCAFE reports that in a letter sent by Salvador Illa, Minister of Health, dated April 22, it indicated that, during the state of alarm, the services and common areas were closed, a criterion that coincided with which has been maintained by the Collegiate Property Administrators. "At all times we have chosen to apply the most restrictive criteria from the health point of view to avoid that the communities of owners could become a focus of infection for not complying with the sanitary norms," ​​they point out from the CGCAFE.

Regarding community pools, property managers consider that the regulation established for recreational use pools contained in SND / 414/2020, of May 16, would apply to pools in communities of owners. However, from CGCAFE they assure that in another letter recently sent to the Ministry of Health, they request that they clarify whether or not this regulation is applicable in the communities of owners, "since the thousands of swimming pools that cannot be left unregulated , in the summer period, they use millions of people ”.

Instead, there are lawyers who assure that the regulations published by Health do not affect community pools because they are private, but only public pools. With this panorama, the debate is served. Pelayo de Salvador, head of the office of Salvador real estate attorneys, points out that the administrators of farms start from an error of concept: what has been closed during the state of alarm are spaces "open to the public", not individuals. And he considers that the Health regulations only refer to "spaces for public use", "a description that should not affect common spaces, as they are for private community use," adds De Salvador.

The lawyer points out that both the ministerial order SND / 414/2020, which relaxes the restrictions in Phase 2 and regulates the reopening of recreational pools, are not applicable to community pools. "The order is of doubtful interpretation, but it speaks of reopening of the facilities, understood as a consequence of the" suspension of opening to the public "of RD463 / 2020. The same goes for the health order, which speaks of "reopening to the public."

In his opinion, community pools do not have to be reopened to the public, because they have never been closed, as they are private facilities. In addition, he points out that they can be open regardless of the phase of the de-escalation, as are the private pools of a single-family house, since they are regulated by the same legal regime.

De Salvador assures that in the event that someone denounces the community of owners for opening the pool regardless of the phase of the de-escalation or without strictly complying with the ministerial orders, this complaint will be appealed arguing that the regulations do not apply. Of course, the lawyer advises that the neighbors comply with at least the hygiene and social distancing measures to avoid the spread of the coronavirus.
What advice do property managers give

The Ministry of Health approved on May 14th some recommendations for the opening of the activity of the recreational pools after the crisis of the covid-19. According to property managers, these recommendations should be applied to community pools and will be carried out from June 25, after the last decree of state of alarm that will decree the opening from that date.

These recommendations go back and refer to Royal Decree 742/2013 of September 27, which establishes technical sanitary criteria for swimming pools to minimize the transmission potential of covid-19 and establish a safe and healthy environment in swimming pools. At this point, Pelayo de Salvador also remembers that this Royal Decree is

At this point, Pelayo de Salvador also recalls that this Royal Decree is a norm of a higher rank than the ministerial order and defines community pools as “private use pools”.

From the property managers 'schools they detail that in the matter of owners' swimming pools there are several circumstances that must be taken into account (and very difficult to fulfill):

Maximum allowed capacity of 30%: the majority of the communities of owners do not have any capacity control system. There are no responsible personnel in charge of the installation who can control or limit the access of the owners and, in cases where they have a lifeguard, their competence is limited to controlling the pool glass.
To go to the pool you must get an appointment and schedules will be organized in shifts, outside of which you will not be able to stay in the facility. The competition to regulate is of the General Meeting of Owners.
Disinfection and maintenance of the pool: with chlorine and bromine. The main risk of swimming pools is not water, but interactions between people without respecting safety distances and not carrying out adequate disinfection in common areas.
Two-meter distance between neighbors: a calculation must be made on how many neighbors fit in the pool so as not to allow the presence of more than that calculation. For example, property managers in Madrid assure that the capacity should be limited to 30%.
Installation of disinfectant gel dispensers at the entrance to the pool.
Ban on placing towels on the perimeter fences to avoid contagion.
Deck chairs or hammocks a minimum of two meters. Shared use is not possible and it is the user's obligation to disinfect them before and after use.
Cleaning and disinfection of spaces and surfaces.
Sequential opening of the taps of showers, fountains, lavapiés, bar and services, letting the water run so that all that was retained in the pipes could be renewed.
Warning to the lifeguard that he complies with the hygiene measures and that he watches the distances. Proof in the protocol that is drafted and executed of attribution to the lifeguard, when it exists, to make warnings to community members.

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[Brandyboy]

Yes Bee.. I've already seen this thank you.

I've always said from the start that community pools are not the same as public pools and although you still have excercise some care like social distancing, it was impossible, impracticable and cost prohibitive to implement the stringent conditions for public pools.

We have very few people here at the moment and they are mainly residents and a long term renter.

I don't expect any Spanish visitors until the end of June at least and no Scandinavians until late August.

[Bee]

The social distance is reducing by a whole 0.5mtrs so you can see how arbitrary that figure is!

Bee