Logic ?

[Graham Knight]

Don't waste your time , Graham....he don't understand logic...can't even spell it....probably....

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I think JamesB missed my point, Francisco.

Stevie Spit has indeed set up a fund for some musicians. But , that's nothing to do with individuals, putting a "support me financially" , on the closed groups, where other musicians are in the same boat .

Like I said , I have a sympathy for their plight . It's not good , having no income for so long .
Putting their requests for help , would be better placed on their f.b. profile pages .

[Carl]

Hi Admin.
Yes,the vast majority of them (not all) are Autonomo .
But , from what I understand , they still have to pay their Autonomo.

They are entitled to €600 (approx) a month , Which basically leaves them €300 a month to live on .
The ones that freeze their Autonomo , are still waiting for payment .
Not forthcoming , so far .

Thanks for that GK.

[Brandyboy]

"Stevie Spit has indeed set up a fund for some musicians. But , that's nothing to do with individuals, putting a "support me financially" , on the closed groups, where other musicians are in the same boat .

Like I said , I have a sympathy for their plight . It's not good , having no income for so long .
Putting their requests for help , would be better placed on their f.b. profile pages ."


I did take your point Graham and I agree with what you said, but I personally don't know of any artistes who have done what you mentioned.

[freddo]

May be a scam there are plenty on Facebook

[Graham Knight]

I know 2 of these entertainers personally Freddo , so it's not a scam . They must be getting desperate , after not earning any money for 2 months , which is understandable
I assume they still have rent to pay , and other outgoings .

@ JamesB. It wouldn't be fair for me to name names , especially on a forum.
But , I hope for their sake , they start working again , sooner , rather than later.

[Brandyboy]

I know a few who started back at work but unfortunately it was shortlived because the venues were in commmercial centres, others were more fortunate because their venues are not, The Emerald Isle for instance.

Yes some were very desperate, especially those with children, and desperate people take desperate measures like appealing for help on Go Fund Me.

It's got nothing to do with logic and it's easy to criticise people less fortunate than you especially if you're retired on a nice pension and don't have to worry about " having rent to pay , and other outgoings "

I`m just wondering if frankie the parrot is perched on your shoulder .

[Carl]

The original post by GK was about why entertainers were asking on a closed group of other entertainers for financial assistance. Could it be entertainers believe they know who are the biggest earners amongst themselves, who they believe could spare some of their earnings or just feel more comfortable in asking 'one of their own' as opposed to members of the public.

I would have thought one of the biggest problems in asking for financial assistance in a niche closed group is it creates division. You will have those who are asking for help and those who are not. Naturally you would assume that those asking for help are in need of help, and those not asking for help are doing ok - but is that accurate ?

Some people will not ask for help because of pride, so whilst they look like they are doing ok they may actually be struggling. Whereas some might ask for help because they see others doing it and think I might get something out of it. And then you have those that are definitely ok and those who are definitely in need of help. But how do you actually know who is who ? Who are the ones struggling with their monthly bills or those simply struggling to keep up with the standard of living they have been accustomed to pre-lockdown ?

How do you decide which fellow entertainer to give money to ? I would assume, rightly or wrongly, that an entertainer would give to a fellow entertainer they work regularly with or are friendly with, which probably means the lesser known entertainers and possibly those in most financial need will be overlooked. Or do you to avoid any possible problems in the future by entertainers disclosing who they received money from and any issues of favouritism arising, simply not give to any of your fellow entertainers.

By the very nature of closed groups they are restrictive and limited in their audience, so I agree with GK that the entertainers would have be better asking for funding independently.

I raised a point with GK about whether the entertainers were 'Autonomo'. From what I have read now online any 'Autonomo' would had to have paid their social security contrbutions for March and April (€283 per month), but will not have to pay May and June. 'Autonomo' workers were entitled to a one-off grant up to €1,500, and assuming they have lost 75% of their monthly income will receive a monthly allowance of €750 (subject to eligibility).

[Graham Knight]

Thanks for that Admin .
You've summed it up perfectly .
I was not making any kind of judgement on of my fellow musicians , who are now in dire straits . My sympathies lie very much with them.
I thought I made that clear in my previous posts .
The closed groups are closed to the general public for a reason .
My point was , that I found it strange that some are using this avenue to try and get financial help ? -. That's all ! .

[Brandyboy]

I'm on the Admin team of several closed groups on Facebook and as opposed to phpbb boards where the vast majority of members use / hide behind usernames, Facebook groups tend to more open and transparent and very close relationships can be formed and I have made many, many friends from all over the world and yet I wouldn't give the time of day to the majority of people that I've dealings with on forums.

I have to admit that I too belong to several musician closed groups on Facebook and I personally haven't seen any members asking for donations.

Maybe, although very talented, are not dense enough.

[Graham Knight]

[quote=JamesB post_id=5326 time=1589621773 user_id=169]

It's got nothing to do with logic and it's easy to criticise people less fortunate than you especially if you're retired on a nice pension and don't have to worry about " having rent to pay , and other outgoings "
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JamesB.
Can you please show me where I critised anyone less fortunate than me ???
And I do consider it strange logic , to ask people who are basically "in the same boat" for financial help.
I'm not even critisising them for asking for help either .
I just find it odd , to be doing it, in that particular place .

Just noticed your last post , as I was submitting this JamesB.
I'm a member of 7 musically related closed groups, here on the South Costa Blanca.
I can only assume that you're not on the group that I am referring to , otherwise you would have seen it . No other explanation !